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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.05 13:51:00 -
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I think, personally, that CCP isn't quite punishing characters enough when they get caught botting. The bans are fine as they are, but there should be an additional punishment. For example, if you're caught bot-mining, you lose skill points related to mining. Say, Astrogeology V gets knocked down to Astrogeo III.
Aim low, kick hard.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Larry Goldstein It's possible to live in W-Space without being evicted / harassed?
Find a good corp that's into wormholes... that'll go a long way. Be alert, be patient. You'll still lose ships, but it's easy to maximize your fun and profits as well.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.13 12:22:00 -
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I still say you remove a crapload of skill points in whatever areas they're set up for botting. Mining bot? Lose astrogeology. Penny bot? Lose all trade skills.
Hit them below the belt.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Kraizer793
But seriously though, nice work on this. It's high time that someone took it into their own hands on a larger scale like this. Yet, I think Hulkageddon still has you beat for upsetting Botters 
LOL o well. It's hard to compete with 20 thousand dead hulks...
Don't compete. Work with. 
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.19 12:28:00 -
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Last night a corp-mate was mining ice in Minmatar space (I think.. the ice that produces Hydrogen) and noticed that there were 31 others ships there mining. Looks like a ban expired perhaps and they're at it again?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.19 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grakhan I find this thread hilarious. All of this anger at people who don't want to go through the boring mechanics of mining? Who should you be mad at? The people who are using a program that simulates keystrokes and mouse clicks, or the developers who have created a system so boring and trivial that simulated keystrokes and mouse clicks can accomplish it.
Like it or not you have one of two options to solve this issue for good.
1.) Create a more involved and engaging mining process. Don't just add fluff that requires you to prove that you aren't a bot, as the only thing you will achieve is a more annoying system for the normal user. Why do you think there are no bots for mission running? Because the missions are different with different objectives that can't be simulated.
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2.) Incorporate and embrace an automated process for mining. You could accomplish by creating new items in the game called "Mining AI." You could then have different levels of the AI, such that each level of the AI increases the usefulness of your bot. OR you could go the route of Planetary Management and make it something where you have to set up a mining outpost of your own and manage it that way.
Whatever the solution, you can't honestly tell me in a game with star ships and all of this technology that the races involved would be sitting in an asteroid belt, clicking a button and watching it mine.
Don't treat the symptom, treat the actual problem!
You're newly sentient, aren't you?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.19 16:24:00 -
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Directly from a bot forum by who appears to be the creator:
Quote: The main question is not when your bot will be banned. Level replacement in advance and you will be with isks all the time. The main question is how to avoid mass ban. Dont make private transfers from your bot to main and back. Use public methods. Sell nonrefined ore for cheap, install regional order with your main to buy this ore. Refine, get money. Use money you bot gain from these sales to buy PLEXs for bot, better equipment, hulks etc. You will get less income of cause but will NEVER care about if your bot can get banned soon.
So... find apparent bots in a system and go .01 above the local buy price? Just a thought (no guarantees it's a good one)
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:59:00 -
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I still have to say I like the idea of removing skills/skill points if caught botting. Mining bot? You lose the Mining barges skill (and points) completely. Ratting? Lose significant gunnery skills. Enough that it'll take at least as long as the ban, preferably longer, to retrain those skills up. (This, of course, is meant to suppliment the ban...)
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.05 12:22:00 -
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I found a site with a lot of "private" RMT going on... what would be the right way to send this info to CCP? I'm not seeing a petition type button anywhere.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.09 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 ...If I made the decision to stop botting, I would move minerals/evidence out in an expeditious manner.
So you haven't decided to stop botting yet?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:19:00 -
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Bumping, for greater justice.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.12 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 12/05/2011 13:45:39 With great thanks to GM Lelouch:
Quote: This is something we are already doing, bots are removed from the game as we discover them. Known bots might under some circumstances find themselves escaping action for a few days if we're in the process of mapping out and removing said RMT operation in a full swoop, but we will never turn a blind eye to known bots for an extended period of time.
Dollar figures cannot be provided but the financial impact of banning bots is smaller than you might think as a lot of bots are funded through illegitimate means to begin with. Accounts do not mean as much to most RMTers as they do to regular players so RMTers will often resort to stolen credit cards for funding their accounts. They are in other words oftentimes operating under the preconception that the accounts they are using will be found and banned eventually; if not through normal investigative efforts of our anti-RMT team, the account will be taken out of business when the credit card is chargebacked or when the owner of the credit card contacts us regarding the illegitimate payments.
Also:
Quote: Well over 3000 full accounts have been banned in the past month for botting or some sort of RMT affiliation (sans ISK spamming). If we include banned trial accounts and accounts banned for advertising RMT sites, we're almost at 5000 accounts. Information on future projections cannot be given.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.17 14:15:00 -
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Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.31 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Action is a noun. Colloquially, it has been "verbed", There are already perfect good verb forms of the word, and not using them is rather clumsy, and has a corporate-speak feel to it.
Languages evolve over time. I'm sure you can google relevant information. 
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:04:00 -
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Heh... fresh from today... (Multiple posts separated by paragraphs, single thread)
Hi All, i have 2 Hulk Charakters on 2 Accounts in 2 Systems. after the downtime i will login, acc banned for 2 weeks " using macro " my bots dont run 23/7, i have bio times intregratet.
Yea, same here. Run 15 h per day with random delays
all my 4 accs are banned for 2 weeks, i die!
Same here, even the the account that only tried EVEtrader out for 30 minutes
Same here all my accounts banned. Do we have a problem?????
Several accounts may be banned (even if you dont use bot) if you share items, isks between accounts. As soon as you connect them, you double/triple chances to get caught. Despite that, it is possible that eve client collect some information about your computers. Processes, files etc. Latest 3.10.1 version have custom dat folder support. It is possible to hide presence of the bot completely if you rename executable and use custom path to data folder. If you was banned please reply with info about how many accounts were banned and how you transfer your items between accounts? Have you renamed executable and used custom data folder?
Hi,
i have make contracts from all my accounts to all my accounts, no isk trades. i buy my eve time with real money.
1 eve installation on my host windows 7 system ( i play on it ) 1 eve installation on my host windows 7 system in vmware. the bot is running in the vmware 2 times.
I am considering whether it makes the sin vmware bear a proxy, you should test
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:07:00 -
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Also interesting:
Slav, If you not happy with this then remove. I have 17 accounts for sale to go as a job lot any offers to [email protected] Thanks Jamie P.S. Serious offers guys not stupid ones.
You can sell only clean accounts (not banned in the past for 2 weeks, not connected with transactions etc.).
Sorry not selling accounts just wanting to sell all my 17 macro mining licences in one go. Is that ok...
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.15 12:50:00 -
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A few tears:
TinTin: 6 bots in VMware, banned. other 3 accounts are my main and 2 support toons that do the refining, hauling and selling of products. Station trades for ore and normal direct transfer of isk between toons.
Did not rename anything and used default locations. I did bridge connections in vmware to get unique mac address for bots, might be what saved my main + support toons.
artinE: (Did you transfer the isk off before you were banned) Not directly I put the isk in a corp and then move it or buy stuff and contract it over but that is all BS they will know all they have to do is run a select on SQL and find where the money went and how it was spent. so there is no way to hide what you do. You can run it through alot of people but it can be followed. I did do something stupid I paused the bot and ran my main account while the bot was paused. So I think they are looking in the running processes and banning every account that has the bot running in the background. I say this because my main account is not even a miner I only PVP with it.
These items were safe as were the other 3 accounts I run (Don't bot on them though)
Minerdude: CCP is monitoring your connection IP. It does not matter what you use the account for, as they look at all accounts connecting by IP. If you share the same router or modem, you use the same IP for all accounts regardless of what you use them for.
I have recently connected with 4 accounts, set the miners in place and manually transfered ore since the process slow. Then hauled with the 4th account. Just taunting CCP to see if I get a response using 4 accounts w/o a bot
Stafani: I had 2 accounts mining just more than 10 hours a day, built in breaks. Both were banned for 2 weeks. At the time, I had custom hot keys, but did not do anything else custom. The iskies were transferred to a corp instead of the other characters. Everything went to the corp hangar.
Slav2: What I may observe is that people who got banned used several bots on the same computer. Even if you make built in breaks and total working time less then 10h per bot, statistics per computer may be not good. I think CCP started to record computer ID rather then IP, so using router and several VMWare with bridged connection (when each VMWare has separated local IP) should solve the problem.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.15 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Memorya Edited by: Memorya on 15/06/2011 13:18:17
"IF" CCP bans every single RTM'er and boters, next day CCP closes down. You like it or not, thats how it goes and thats why they will never ever ban all bot's, becouse they need MONEY.
Please, disengage the stupid. The botters are using the isk they make to pay for Plex, therefore not contributing to CCP coffers regardless of whether or not they exist.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:31:00 -
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Just a little bump and a friendly Friday send-off...
Enjoy!
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